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Seil model recasts?
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Posted: Friday, July 05, 2013 - 09:36 PM UTC
Hi everyone, after a very long break I am finally back to modelling!

I've now moved to Athens and am working here in Greece, and I had a question. Well two fold actually to the historical figure community.

I was walking around Panepistimo and found some great model shops like Kalfakis etc. I asked guys in those shops if they sold historical minis and they said no but directed me to a store a few blocks down.

The guy was very friendly and had a great range of Pegaso and other brands. I saw these resin figures there, in plastic zip lock bags with simple labels. No company details etc. I figured they were garage kits. So I got one.

When I got home I discovered that these were the same as Seil's 54mm metal models. So now I am not sure what the deal is. Have I just bought a counterfit model and been ripped off? Also I now find myself concerned and worrying about that store, and wonder if the other kits are alright also.

Or perhaps there is a justified reason for these resin re-casts? Are Seil still trading?

Sorry for all the questions but I'm still new to historical figures.
Maki
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Posted: Friday, July 05, 2013 - 11:08 PM UTC
Yes, those were most probably resin recasts. Seil is no longer in business and I don't think anyone bought the figure molds... Nevertheless, copying those figures is still illegal.

The shop you are talking about is probably one of many who sell cheap figure knock-offs. I've seen resin copies offered on several shows and modeling exhibitions. You can also buy those on eBay... It is a plague. It is a serious problem which could result in figure companies stopping producing figures because those are easily pirated, cast in resin and sold extremely cheap.

So the bottom line is; don't support recasting and don't buy cheap copies. It is stealing from all the talented sculptors who often earn their living by sculpting the figures we all enjoy.

Mario
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Posted: Friday, July 05, 2013 - 11:30 PM UTC
Thanks Mario,

thats the thing. The kits weren't cheap. And at the time I didn't know anything about the Seil product range, so I assumed they were produced legit.

It's very frustrating to find out that a kit you bought in good faith is actually a recast copy of another companies product. I expected this sort of thing on Ebay, but not inside reputable model shops.
Maki
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Posted: Friday, July 05, 2013 - 11:46 PM UTC
I know, most of the times a person not into historical figures cannot tell if the figures are original or not. Selling the figures without the box is usually a good indication the figures are copies.

Mario
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Posted: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 - 07:46 AM UTC
Cheers Mario. I'll just have to be more careful from now on!

It's sad that we have to do that. Like you said recast fakes are a plague.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 - 11:52 AM UTC
I have a Seil Models Kit and the kit comes in a nice colorful box with painted-up photos. The cover is actually a slide insert...slide it off to open the nice blue box. Inside is a foam pad and the kit parts are cast in white metal....the pad is rolled up around the parts themselves. The cover has the address of the company.

Seil packages this kit well...kind of like an expensive pen. A Seil kit without a box, slide cover insert, and foam pad with white metal parts is most likely a resin recast.