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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2016 - 07:39 AM UTC

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Is a conversions and scratch builds campaign on the cards?




Not for me, unless the timescale is measured in years!

Most of my more interesting "white plastic" builds take several years from start to finish, and some are STILL not finished...



I feel the same way, the timespan would have to be years!
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2016 - 03:52 AM UTC
What model is the Soviet flat car?
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2016 - 03:51 AM UTC

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...the Duster - we're talking 1965 here!



Hi Mike,

That was probably the Renwal Duster. I just found this year-old KitMaker review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_Ba9fLbU5g

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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2016 - 02:12 AM UTC

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Is a conversions and scratch builds campaign on the cards?




Not for me, unless the timescale is measured in years!

Most of my more interesting "white plastic" builds take several years from start to finish, and some are STILL not finished...
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Posted: Saturday, July 16, 2016 - 10:08 PM UTC

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Given the very limited response we had earlier I don't think there are enough interested parties for a campaign. Then by their very nature scratch builders are motivated to their own very focused subjects and on their own time schedules.



Well, there's at least 2 of us interested, maybe...
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Posted: Saturday, July 16, 2016 - 07:02 PM UTC
Given the very limited response we had earlier I don't think there are enough interested parties for a campaign. Then by their very nature scratch builders are motivated to their own very focused subjects and on their own time schedules.
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Posted: Saturday, July 16, 2016 - 12:36 AM UTC

Is a conversions and scratch builds campaign on the cards?

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Posted: Friday, July 15, 2016 - 08:17 AM UTC

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Randall, I did notice in a later photo he had substituted the correct wheels. I admit I scanned the article quickly but did not read it thoroughly. What struck me primarily was the quality of his scratch work.



Yes, very nicely done, especially the fenders.
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2016 - 11:36 PM UTC
Could be mid to late 30's Dodge truck. It looks very familiar.
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2016 - 07:50 PM UTC
Just for fun - another 1 : 1 scale kit-bash military conversion:





Cab - Dodge Military Power Wagon
Hood - Civilian Dodge
Radiator Cowl - Unknown
Loadbox - Surplus M100 Military Trailer
Front Radiator Grill Screen - an old Horse Stall Door.

All on a Toyota 4x4 chassis!

Mike Koenig Photos - Seen at the local NAPA store in Irvine, Kentucky 2015
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2016 - 04:21 PM UTC
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And therefore scratch building will always take a back seat (so to speak) in comparison with the more normal model construction methods, i.e. cut parts from a sprue and glue them together, it simply gives more bang for your buck in terms of time spent.

Model making is a shrinking hobby, and a lot of people these days seem to have very little time to allocate to the hobby, they want the construction phase out of the way as fast as possible, so that they can get to the FUN part, i.e. painting, hence scratch building is not all that popular.

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I look at it the other way around. I love the research, finding the parts that work and making what I need. I have troubles with seeing shades of colors, so I put off painting as long as possible! Sometimes forever.

My current build is getting close to the point where I will be willing to show it off. I have a few more bits to work on.



I am the very same and spend endless time looking over photos and drawings and attempting bits.

Hate painting but need plenty coats to cover all the glue and finger prints !!!

But I still enjoy
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2016 - 08:53 AM UTC
Randall, I did notice in a later photo he had substituted the correct wheels. I admit I scanned the article quickly but did not read it thoroughly. What struck me primarily was the quality of his scratch work.
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2016 - 08:40 AM UTC

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Great article on scratch building a Ben Hur trailer over at:

http://www.maketar.com/

C'mon folks, it really isn't all THAT hard!



(One problem is; this guy uses half-track tires for his trailer. They are too big and the wheel rim is wrong???
The Ben Hur used wheels and tires interchangeable with the CCKW Deuce and a Half.)

Author's name not given in the post.



Mike,

In the text the builder says the wheels are temporary, he has some on order, so hopefully he will get it right. He has all the right reference.

I traded for a half crushed 1 ton metal trailer, for the axles and other fittings (that I ended up donating to a MVPA club auction), and that metal trailer is HEAVY!

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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2016 - 08:30 AM UTC
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And therefore scratch building will always take a back seat (so to speak) in comparison with the more normal model construction methods, i.e. cut parts from a sprue and glue them together, it simply gives more bang for your buck in terms of time spent.

Model making is a shrinking hobby, and a lot of people these days seem to have very little time to allocate to the hobby, they want the construction phase out of the way as fast as possible, so that they can get to the FUN part, i.e. painting, hence scratch building is not all that popular.
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I look at it the other way around. I love the research, finding the parts that work and making what I need. I have troubles with seeing shades of colors, so I put off painting as long as possible! Sometimes forever.

My current build is getting close to the point where I will be willing to show it off. I have a few more bits to work on.
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2016 - 08:03 AM UTC
Mathew, I am very glad you are enjoying this thread as that was certainly a part of the original intent.

The question of my inappropriate usage of the word "contest" was already discussed in a observation that Tat Baqui posed on the very first page of this thread about seven entries down from the opening.

As to "return on investment", be it time or money, several individuals, myself included, have previously stated that the scratch builder ends up, either with a model costing tens of dollars rather than hundreds or he ends up with a model that is otherwise unavailable at any price.

On a personal note; the payback I receive also includes the knowledge gained in the research process. Then too this research may lead to other unexpected discoveries. Also there is the aspect of expanded construction capabilities that are learned in the effort. All this can possibly result in a more thorough understanding of the subject that perhaps begins to approach that of the soldier in the field.

It strikes me that all this could be similar to asking yourself the question: do you want to read a book or write one?

I guess it all depends on what the modeler wants to get out of the experience as his/her end product.


p.s. I have to disagree in that I really don't think the model industry is shrinking in any way, shape or form. Our time to build however, may be shrinking due to all the new "must have" models that hit the market, it seems, on almost a weekly basis.
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2016 - 07:07 AM UTC

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C'mon folks, it really isn't all THAT hard!



No, it isn't all THAT hard, but scratch building requires a large investment of TIME.

And therefore scratch building will always take a back seat (so to speak) in comparison with the more normal model construction methods, i.e. cut parts from a sprue and glue them together, it simply gives more bang for your buck in terms of time spent.

Model making is a shrinking hobby, and a lot of people these days seem to have very little time to allocate to the hobby, they want the construction phase out of the way as fast as possible, so that they can get to the FUN part, i.e. painting, hence scratch building is not all that popular.

Plus, if you are seeking more people to post in this thread, as would seem so from your tone, then its probably not helpful having it listed as a 'contest', unless it is a contest, I'm confused on that point tbh.

But, having said all that, I'm greatly enjoying this thread.


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Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 - 07:47 PM UTC
Great article on scratch building a Ben Hur trailer over at:

http://www.maketar.com/

C'mon folks, it really isn't all THAT hard!




Author's name not given in the post.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 - 03:38 AM UTC
Another offering submitted by Monte Kelch:

Russian Lightly Armored Train
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Posted: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 - 06:59 PM UTC
You know what I said earlier about "as soon as you try to scratch build something they come out with a plastic model".

Well here is another good example: The Opel Blitz bus!

This was yet another of the Vac-Form "kits" my friend gave me. Of course there are now several beautiful plastic kits offered in both 1/35th and 1/72nd of this vehicle.



This is as far as I got.

Bear in mind, this large Vac-Formed bus body came split lengthwise down the middle. The two halves had to be cut out of an otherwise flat sheet and smoothly joined together plus all the windows had to be cut out by hand.

If you have not had prior experience with Vacuum Formed plastic kits imagine trying to cut a big laundry detergent bottle in half, precisely down the middle and then building a model from it.

(Today's plastic bottles are actually "blow-molded" but the process is very similar.)

This is another of my models I tell myself I will finish someday! (As either an Ambulance or a Radio Van with Generator Trailer.)
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Posted: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 - 05:52 PM UTC
Another work in progress: CCKW converted to a RR locomotive.






These converted locomotives (a 1 : 1 scale conversion no less) were used in England during the supply build up prior to D-Day. They handled switching duties in and around the large warehouses to avoid the risk of fire that might be caused by the use of coal fired steam locomotives.


The local stone cutter provided some "ballast" from his bone yard. The wooden
hopper will eventually be filled with gravel and scrap locomotive parts.


The resin wheels come from Scale-Link in the UK.


Showing frame modifications.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 - 05:36 PM UTC
Fred I think you are right!

I just remember building the M20 and the Duster - we're talking 1965 here! Back then I had in no way mastered the art of controlling my glue applications. Of course back then glue came in a tube with a screw in, metal wire "cap"!
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Posted: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 - 09:44 AM UTC
Mike,

Great work.

Perhaps the M20 was the Monogram model?
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Posted: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 - 09:23 AM UTC
Another creation from Monte Kelch in 1/35th:


Russian shop maintenance truck - scratch built shop body:

There is now an (either 1/48th or 1/72nd) plastic model available of this vehicle.

All photos: Mike Koenig
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2016 - 06:51 AM UTC
I have a good friend from the Cincinnati area that while not extremely computer savvy is certainly sharp when it comes to scratch building or conversions. His name is Monte Kelch and he said I could share some of his work here.


V-2 Launch Control Vehicle - scratch built superstructure:


Russian Ambulance - scratch built house body:


French built lite armored CMP, self-propelled gun, mounting a WWI French 75mm - scratch built superstructure and gun:


A real WWI French 75mm - KY Military Museum, Frankfort, KY:


German Horch Ambulance - scratch built upper cabin:




All photos: Mike Koenig
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2016 - 03:17 AM UTC
Good one Tom!