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Armor of the American Civil War
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2016 - 01:38 AM UTC
I've tried proposing this one a couple of times before but no joy. Thought I'd give it another shot. Here goes...

First though, a short statement: I have a degree in history and have been reading military history for 40+ years. I KNOW there were no AFVs in the Civil War! It's a joke! See below.

Right, got that off my chest. When America started sending armor to the British early in WWII our vehicles didn't fit their designation system. They had light tanks, cruiser tanks, and infantry tanks. The Americans designated armor by light, medium, and heavy. Confusion also arose from the M3 Medium and M3 Light tanks having very similar designations. Therefore the Brits decided to start giving different tanks names, which they did for their own as well. And, since the PM was a history lover American tanks were named for American Civil War generals (see? get it?). The Americans picked up on this and started using those names as well, eventually continuing the tradition with later vehicles (though not always using Civil War names).

This campaign would be about building AFVs named after Amerian Civil War figures. Basically this would be:

M3 Grant
M3 Lee
M4 Sherman
M3 & 5 Stuart
M36 Jackson
M551 Sheridan

How does that sound to you all?

Michael
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2016 - 03:52 AM UTC
Hi Michael,

Cool idea. However I'm partial to beutes so if you'll allow a Sherman or Stuart with a balkenkreuz on it then I'd be up to signing up.

I think Chaffee makes the list as well (?)

Cheers,

Tat
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2016 - 06:28 AM UTC
I would definitely be in this campaign. I don't have any of these tanks in my stash, but have been looking for a reason to buy another kit to build.
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2016 - 07:10 AM UTC
Hi Tat,
I don't think the M24 qualifies. Per Wikipedia "the M24 was named Chaffee, after the United States Army General Adna R. Chaffee, Jr., who helped develop the use of tanks in the United States armed forces."

This might be interesting. I have an Academy M3A1 Stuart I've been wanting to build as a USMC tank on Bougainville. Count me in.
John
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2016 - 07:19 AM UTC
Hey Mike,
To broaden the appeal you might want to consider widening the campaign to any vehicle named for an ACW officer. For example, there have been at least 5 USN ships and a Star Trek Universe Starship all named for Admiral Farragut.

Just a thought.
John
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2016 - 12:13 PM UTC
Plus the destroyer USS Cushing, the carrier USS Abraham Lincoln and lots of others.

If you wanted to add ships there are also many named after ACW battles

For armor if anyone wants to scratch-built there is the M8 Buford AGS.
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2016 - 01:01 PM UTC
Perhaps limiting this campaign to armor but allowing any tank named after a military general would be a better choice?
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2016 - 01:33 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Hi Tat,
I don't think the M24 qualifies. Per Wikipedia "the M24 was named Chaffee, after the United States Army General Adna R. Chaffee, Jr., who helped develop the use of tanks in the United States armed forces."

This might be interesting. I have an Academy M3A1 Stuart I've been wanting to build as a USMC tank on Bougainville. Count me in.
John



You're right John. Did know that it was named after Jr. Learned something new today!
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2016 - 04:19 PM UTC
Actually, just to be pedantic, there were at least two armored fighting vehicles involved in the ACW: Monitor and Merrimack.

They may not be quite a good fit for an Armorama campaign, but that is a separate issue.

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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2016 - 04:31 PM UTC
Not to be picky, but the Merrimack was the original wooden hulled version the ship. It was renamed the Virginia after conversion to ironclad.
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2016 - 05:25 PM UTC
It's a fair cop

tatbaqui
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2016 - 07:19 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Hi Tat,
I don't think the M24 qualifies. Per Wikipedia "the M24 was named Chaffee, after the United States Army General Adna R. Chaffee, Jr., who helped develop the use of tanks in the United States armed forces."

This might be interesting. I have an Academy M3A1 Stuart I've been wanting to build as a USMC tank on Bougainville. Count me in.
John



Take 2:
You're right John. Didn't know that it was named after Jr. Learned something new today!
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2016 - 07:27 PM UTC
Getting some interesting responses here! I kind of planned to limit it to those armored vehicles named for Civil War generals but am willing to be open minded. What do people think:

1. Open it to anything named after a Civil War general (including figures of those generals)?

2. Open it to any armored vehicle named after a general?

Michael
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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 - 11:21 AM UTC
I vote #1.
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Posted: Friday, July 08, 2016 - 09:45 PM UTC
There were also armored train cars. And there were armored siege guns based on train cars.

I think going with AFVs named after the Civil War generals' name angle is probably best.
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Friday, July 08, 2016 - 11:32 PM UTC
Gonna need a few more people showing interest before I can submit anything.

How 'bout it? Anyone else interested in this idea? And what would you like the campaign to include?

Michael
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Posted: Friday, July 08, 2016 - 11:54 PM UTC
I guess you could add the M8 Scott HMC to the list...



H.P.
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Posted: Saturday, July 09, 2016 - 04:34 AM UTC

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I guess you could add the M8 Scott HMC to the list...

H.P.



You got me there H.P., I've never heard of that one! But, assuming it was named for Winfield Scott, it would certainly qualify.

Michael
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Posted: Saturday, July 16, 2016 - 08:52 PM UTC
Seems to me we've got seven or eight for this one. Anyone else? And should we limit it to just armored vehicles named for Civil War generals (the original idea) or open it up to other Civil War themed items?

Michael
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 10:13 PM UTC
Hate to see this one die, I'll join if it's still in the works...
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 10:54 PM UTC
I'm willing to keep it alive if enough folks are interested. I do think it ought to stay limited to Civil War named armored vehicles though.

Michael
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Posted: Thursday, August 11, 2016 - 12:10 AM UTC
I'm also still interested in this campaign.
tatbaqui
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Posted: Thursday, August 11, 2016 - 04:00 AM UTC
Same here. I have a Lee lined up.
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Posted: Thursday, August 11, 2016 - 04:35 AM UTC
What about Cromwell? The English Civil War was still a civil war.
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Thursday, August 11, 2016 - 05:13 AM UTC

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What about Cromwell? The English Civil War was still a civil war.



HAH! I wondered if someone would spot that! I, for one, would be willing to allow that just for grins.

OK, this has been a little confusing. I THINK the following have expressed interest in being a part of a campaign about Civil War named armor:

Michael (me)
Gareth
Tat
Brenton
Clayton
Henrie-Pierre
Alex
John
Timothy?
Stephen?

If Timothy and Stephen are in, we have 10. Let me know as soon as you can and I'll get this one submitted.

Michael