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T44 tracks and T72s
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Posted: Monday, August 13, 2018 - 11:40 PM UTC
at what point did the T44 acquire rmsh type tracks? saw pix of tat type on one

also, looking to do a T72 ural, and seeing as such an alien creature doesn't exist, it's gotta be faked. not interested in tam's version to build off of, so who else has an early upper hull and what ural turrets there are to be had. I've used a sbs A turret for tam's M1 and it seemed rather nice, but havn't found a ural from them
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Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 - 03:45 AM UTC
Turrets: SBS make one:

https://sbsmodel.com/model/SBS-35010/t-72-ural-turret-with-optical-rangefinder

as do Miniarm:

http://www.miniarm.com/index.php?category=Series%20Tank%20T-72/T-90

and AGV models;

https://www.bnamodelworld.com/military-vehicles-tanks-conversion-sets-agv-models-agv-35051?zenid=502297c1f3ac1e240775cd7aaa6e2abe

Hull: Backdate Trumpeters T-72A mod 1983 or wait for T-72A Mod 1979 to come out and backdate it. Whatever you do you'll have to backdate a hull top/front (all the conversions are for Tamiya kit).

I suspect Trumpy will eventually bring out a Ural.

HTH
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Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 - 06:28 AM UTC
figures about backdating the hull. one can only hope miniarm lets a ural escape into the wild. I seen some pix of those particular turrets. so, which would be the most accurate, w/out the laser rangefinder or do they all have one? might be leaning toward the sbs, seeing as how nice their A turret is. thx
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Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 - 01:59 PM UTC
Hi;

I have both SBS, & Miniarm Turrets in my collection; And while SBS are nice, I have to say Miniarm is slightly better.
As for A T-44 with RMSH type tracks, it would not be Accurate, as OMSH would be more in-line with A T-44.

CHEERS; MIKE.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 - 11:49 PM UTC

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Hi;

I have both SBS, & Miniarm Turrets in my collection; And while SBS are nice, I have to say Miniarm is slightly better.
As for A T-44 with RMSH type tracks, it would not be Accurate, as OMSH would be more in-line with A T-44.

CHEERS; MIKE.



I'll have to consider that miniarm. looks decent enuff. wondering if it'll fit trumps hulls, tho. still really don't wanna go tam's M1 hull, having neeeding to conduct some serious surgery and then frak THAT up.

found this: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjs4pCv_O7cAhXshOAKHS-dCYwQFjAHegQIBxAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fzedval.com%2Findex.php%3Froute%3Dproduct%2Fproduct%26product_id%3D282&usg=AOvVaw3kQue8kmjIH97WMHfLbJcX while searching. dunno if it's still available, tho, or if it's worthwhile.

might just go with the T44M as I think it has the trax, altho I have seen a pic in images of war t54/55 on pg7
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 - 12:42 AM UTC
T-44M tracks are the same type used on the T-54 1949's. T-72 tracks are similar, but not the same track.

I too am hoping someone does a Ural.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 - 08:10 AM UTC

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T-44M tracks are the same type used on the T-54 1949's. T-72 tracks are similar, but not the same track.

I too am hoping someone does a Ural.



hopefully. might just go with an early B version, if trump's is worth getting, or one of the others. for the trax, if I can find them, I'll use am's on the non-M version, as it has the decals of my WT T44, 139, and it's one that had been part of Operation Whirlwind, the return to Budapest

would the ural turret work with a B hull?
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 - 10:24 AM UTC
Fruil makes tracks for the T-54 1949. As I recall, the normal T-44 used T-34 tracks.

I don't think the Urals had the B hull, however there are people here with more knowledge than I have.

Didn't Trumpeter threaten to make the Ural? Or was that one of those rumors.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 - 10:38 AM UTC

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Fruil makes tracks for the T-54 1949. As I recall, the normal T-44 used T-34 tracks.

I don't think the Urals had the B hull, however there are people here with more knowledge than I have.

Didn't Trumpeter threaten to make the Ural? Or was that one of those rumors.



yeah, it did, waffletracks. M version it is, then. don't much care for fruil. I find masterclub much better, with their pins. didn't think it did, but one never knows, and I'm going rumor until I see otherwise. announcements don't mean all that much

so I'm guessing the only way to get a ural is carve up a tam hull and replace the forward half, and then the miniarm turret
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2018 - 12:11 AM UTC
cuz I know how to google , I found verlinden has a full upper hull for tam's T72 and a ural turret. how accurate are they for an early T72 and no bloody A,B,C or D , as it seems to be the easiest way to go, IF I can find them
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2018 - 12:41 AM UTC
I've had good luck with Fruils. Evil bay, and checking for free shipping, can save some money, and I am willing to wait. I also have Master Club, and everyone elses.

Have not seen the Verlinden T-72 conversion first hand, but I have seen it on E-Bay once or twice.

I probably read some of the comments on what is coming out and someone was hoping for the Ural. The early T-72's in Syria are what I'm more interested in.
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2018 - 07:41 AM UTC
fruils are ok, but $$$$. after a set of those and then masterclub I much prefer the latter, despite the cost. steel wires IS preferred, spade ace are really worth getting, and cheaper than fruils, and look just as good.

found the upper hull conversion on evilfleabay for 36US, but nothing on how accurate it is or what AM ural turrets'll fit

no finding a ural turret. all there are is the destroyed version from verlinden. havn't yet found in any other will fit the upper hull
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2018 - 10:31 AM UTC
I did a search on E-Bay for T-72 Ural and came up with a number of Ural turrets from two or three resin suppliers. Given the cost of the models, the cost of the turrets and the cost of the hull conversions I'm going to wait and see what Trumpeter does. I'm hip deep in a bunch of T-34's at the moment, so I have plenty to keep me busy for a long while.
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2018 - 10:42 AM UTC

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I did a search on E-Bay for T-72 Ural and came up with a number of Ural turrets from two or three resin suppliers. Given the cost of the models, the cost of the turrets and the cost of the hull conversions I'm going to wait and see what Trumpeter does. I hip deep in a bunch of T-34's at the moment, so I have plenty to keep me busy for a long while.



got miniarm's ural turret, verlinden upper hull and tam's T72 on the way. wasn't cheap either, and there's no guarantee ANYone'll come out with an early T72 and no bloody A, B, C or D
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2018 - 11:52 AM UTC

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I did a search on E-Bay for T-72 Ural and came up with a number of Ural turrets from two or three resin suppliers. Given the cost of the models, the cost of the turrets and the cost of the hull conversions I'm going to wait and see what Trumpeter does. I hip deep in a bunch of T-34's at the moment, so I have plenty to keep me busy for a long while.



got miniarm's ural turret, verlinden upper hull and tam's T72 on the way. wasn't cheap either, and there's no guarantee ANYone'll come out with an early T72 and no bloody A, B, C or D



Maybe it'll be like the BergPanther! Wished for, dreamed about and takes 20 years to get a good one. Good luck with the project.

Trumpeter does have a T-72A on their catalog, it was seen on facebook late last year.
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2018 - 01:51 PM UTC
Hi Everybody;

As for the Ural Conversion; Stay away from the Verlinden upper hull, as its just A copy of the DML kit ! IMHO, It would be wise and try to source A conversion of the hull made in resin by JDs friend at SP Design using the Tamiya kit; Or just grind away the Extra Armor on the Hull front, both of which I have done. And there were T-72s Urals that were rebuilds that had the extra armor added to the hull front. As for the T-44; The Only Accurate T-44 would be A T-44 with Late T-34 style or OMSH type tracks !!!!!

CHEERS; MIKE.
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2018 - 03:05 PM UTC

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Hi Everybody;

As for the Ural Conversion; Stay away from the Verlinden upper hull, as its just A copy of the DML kit ! IMHO, It would be wise and try to source A conversion of the hull made in resin by JDs friend at SP Design using the Tamiya kit; Or just grind away the Extra Armor on the Hull front, both of which I have done. And there were T-72s Urals that were rebuilds that had the extra armor added to the hull front. As for the T-44; The Only Accurate T-44 would be A T-44 with Late T-34 style or OMSH type tracks !!!!!

CHEERS; MIKE.



Hi Mike,
Verlinden's T-72 hull is not based on the old DML kit. The conversion has its highs and its lows. It is not an easy conversion as for constructing the upper hull 10+ parts have to be put together and it does not correct the engine offset to the left. However, it does correct some mistakes of the Tamiya's kit. G. Keseyan (REITER960) built two kits (T-72M and T-72B) using the upper hull with good results (unfortunately the photos are not longer posted in Armorama).

I will be entering a T-72 "ural" export version (Verlinden upper hull + SBS turret) for the MBT campaign, which is two and a half months away. Hope Trakpin can join the campaign or post his build.

You can find a small discussion on the conversion in the following link.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/missinglynx/is-the-verlinden-t-72-hull-conversion-useful-for-a-t124031.html]T-72 verlinden hull

Best Regards,
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2018 - 07:18 PM UTC
saw that thread earlier. why would it matter if the upper hull was in pieces. isn't the rest of a model in a similar state? either way, I should have it in a coupla weeks or so. from what I found verlinden's in a copy of tams upper hull, but w/out that added armor plate, which is what I was looking for. I only hope the miniarm turret fit, tho i think it should, seeing as it's for the tam kit and the upper hull is based on that kit

not done a campaign before. dunno what's expected. likely no pix
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Posted: Saturday, August 18, 2018 - 03:01 PM UTC

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why would it matter if the upper hull was in pieces. isn't the rest of a model in a similar state? pix



Hopefully, you are only being sarcastic or have a lot of experience working with resin. If not, I would highly recommend using/making a jig for gluing together parts 11, 21, 15, 16 and 17. Although the conversion nearly falls together, there is a lot of room for misalignment.

I think you are of out of luck with regards to the Miniarm T-72 turret ring, which diameter is about 0.016" larger than the Verlinden's inner diameter (as on the conversion that I have). There is a marked circle on the Verlinden's part that you can use to make the turret hole bigger close to what you need for the Miniarm turret ring to fit.
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2018 - 12:15 AM UTC

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why would it matter if the upper hull was in pieces. isn't the rest of a model in a similar state? pix



Hopefully, you are only being sarcastic or have a lot of experience working with resin. If not, I would highly recommend using/making a jig for gluing together parts 11, 21, 15, 16 and 17. Although the conversion nearly falls together, there is a lot of room for misalignment.

I think you are of out of luck with regards to the Miniarm T-72 turret ring, which diameter is about 0.016" larger than the Verlinden's inner diameter (as on the conversion that I have). There is a marked circle on the Verlinden's part that you can use to make the turret hole bigger close to what you need for the Miniarm turret ring to fit.



not my first rodeo with resin, so there shouldn't be to much difficulty. thx for the mention of those particular parts. I had intended to do just that, should the turret prove a bit larger that the hull ring
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2018 - 06:41 AM UTC
Modelpoint did an Ural turret a few years ago.
Don't know if it's still available...
About Verlinden's kit, I believe there were 2 versions of this resin set and the latter one had the engine grill corrected.
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2018 - 08:18 AM UTC

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Modelpoint did an Ural turret a few years ago.
Don't know if it's still available...
About Verlinden's kit, I believe there were 2 versions of this resin set and the latter one had the engine grill corrected.



I'll have the miniarm turret. next week, but all in all, it ain't lookin good. not the turret, but the upper hull. it's here, but wasn't expecting any resin material to be on the bottom of the track guards and other parts that'll need removing, otherwise everything'll be about mm too high. I'll have to wait and see how it dry fits. I'm a bit concerned about the guards, where the turret ring fits. there's nothing to indicate if where the ring sits, the curved bit, needs to be cut out or not. I just don't know....

I think this is the earlier, set 1

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/170762629309
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