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Has Axis modelling peaked?
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Wednesday, May 08, 2019 - 09:47 PM UTC
Of COURSE he is...
Bravo1102
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Posted: Thursday, May 09, 2019 - 12:22 AM UTC
He's showing that not only can you do Beute panzers but Allied used panzers.

First Panther I did was an all green Bulgarian one with the huge red stars.

Tempted to do a Beute panzer returned to original ownership.
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Posted: Thursday, May 09, 2019 - 12:53 AM UTC
It doesn't matter if your an Axis modeler or an Allied modeler or build modern armor we all share the same interests building model armor.
That's all that counts.

Have fun and have a nice day
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Posted: Thursday, May 09, 2019 - 12:55 AM UTC
One of the images shows one of the Panthers that the Germans "dressed up" to look like an M10 so it is a fake US vehicle owned by Germany and I assume that it is now captured by allied troops. That image turns up on a lot of different websites, the copy I linked to was used on reddit where the poster called it:
"Captured M10 tank destroyer recaptured by the US Army (late 1944)"
There were also a lot of replies sorting out the facts.
Most or all of the other copies of this image calls it a fake M10 on Panther chassis

Philosophical question: Is it Axis or Allied?

/ Robin
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Posted: Thursday, May 09, 2019 - 06:03 AM UTC
It's probably clear to all that we haven't resolved the original question... and that debate, FWIW, will likely simmer along in one form or another in the minds of some for, perhaps, "forever"

But we certainly WILL, I think, all fervently agree RIGHT NOW that interest in ARMOR MODELING remains far away from having "peaked"!

Cheers! Bob

I'm heading to the bench to sniff some glue and get on with some MODELING. Enough of this e-yak, e-yak, e-yak, already!
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Thursday, May 09, 2019 - 06:58 AM UTC

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He's showing that not only can you do Beute panzers but Allied used panzers.

First Panther I did was an all green Bulgarian one with the huge red stars.

Tempted to do a Beute panzer returned to original ownership.



And then back again..?

(This can go on all afternoon, you know...)
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Thursday, May 09, 2019 - 07:01 AM UTC

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It's probably clear to all that we haven't resolved the original question... and that debate, FWIW, will likely simmer along in one form or another in the minds of some for, perhaps, "forever"

But we certainly WILL, I think, all fervently agree RIGHT NOW that interest in ARMOR MODELING remains far away from having "peaked"!

Cheers! Bob

I'm heading to the bench to sniff some glue and get on with some MODELING. Enough of this e-yak, e-yak, e-yak, already!



Go right ahead, Bob! I'm just whiling away my time with an afternoon cup of coffee, anyway. Sniffing that glue doesn't sound like such a bad idea!
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Thursday, May 09, 2019 - 07:06 AM UTC

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One of the images shows one of the Panthers that the Germans "dressed up" to look like an M10 so it is a fake US vehicle owned by Germany and I assume that it is now captured by allied troops. That image turns up on a lot of different websites, the copy I linked to was used on reddit where the poster called it:
"Captured M10 tank destroyer recaptured by the US Army (late 1944)"
There were also a lot of replies sorting out the facts.
Most or all of the other copies of this image calls it a fake M10 on Panther chassis

Philosophical question: Is it Axis or Allied?

/ Robin



If you ask me, this thing is a German Panther with a "re-do" paint-job and fake M10 "armor" added to it...
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Posted: Thursday, May 09, 2019 - 08:04 AM UTC

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It's probably clear to all that we haven't resolved the original question... and that debate, FWIW, will likely simmer along in one form or another in the minds of some for, perhaps, "forever"

But we certainly WILL, I think, all fervently agree RIGHT NOW that interest in ARMOR MODELING remains far away from having "peaked"!

Cheers! Bob

I'm heading to the bench to sniff some glue and get on with some MODELING. Enough of this e-yak, e-yak, e-yak, already!


For what its worth I think we have introduced the fact that it may not be possible to prove it at all with any reasonable degree of certainty.

But we are definitely in an age of more choices than ever before and it only looks like it will increase to feed a market that is larger than ever.

Ten years ago, I would have put money on never seeing early British cruisers in plastic let alone American super heavy prototypes.
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Posted: Thursday, May 09, 2019 - 12:36 PM UTC

Quoted Text

One of the images shows one of the Panthers that the Germans "dressed up" to look like an M10 so it is a fake US vehicle owned by Germany and I assume that it is now captured by allied troops. That image turns up on a lot of different websites, the copy I linked to was used on reddit where the poster called it:
"Captured M10 tank destroyer recaptured by the US Army (late 1944)"
There were also a lot of replies sorting out the facts.
Most or all of the other copies of this image calls it a fake M10 on Panther chassis

Philosophical question: Is it Axis or Allied?

/ Robin



It's a Panther,made to (badly) resemble an M10, knocked out by the Americans, so far as I am aware never used by them, ergo it is Axis. If you think that is bad you want to look at the Stugs they tried to disguise.
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Posted: Thursday, May 09, 2019 - 01:12 PM UTC
The B&W pic shows one of the 10 decoy Panthers specially tricked-out to vaguely resemble the US M-10 (albeit the Panther is much larger and of course has that characteristic road-wheel system...) for the initial German thrust leading to the Battle of the Bulge. Part of Otto Skorzeny's plan to rush in and seize a number of key bridges early-on - he arranged to have 10 Ausf G Panthers dressed in sheet-metal decoy bits to mimic the M-10 to some degree. More dramatically, the commander's cupola was removed... leaving the Panther commander blind when the hatches were closed! The idea was to be able to get close enough before the cold G.I.'s recognized that something was wrong... No. It didn't really work.

These famous "Erzatz M-10 "BofB" Panthers" were kitted by Dragon... Although I am not sure whether the Dragon "Erzatz" kit actually did the replacement of the prismakoppel with the simple flat plate hatch, as done on the real thing.

Cheers! Bob

And, YES. It was a Panther - decoy-masked by the Germans to look "US". Not any "beute". So, definitely an Axis vehicle in every way!