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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 12:45 PM UTC
Hello. I found this picture on: http://www.eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergalerie/Reichsbahn%20im%20Krieg.
The 2 powerful tractors are Kaelble trucks.
I'm interested in the Tow.
I know its Russian, captured and was on display in Berlin as Beute.
Any one knows the type of this monster?

Would be a very interesting display...



Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 12:50 PM UTC
Soviet KV-2.
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 01:58 PM UTC
Thanks.
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 02:31 PM UTC
Hahahahaha I had a look expecting to see a tube launched, optically tracked, wire guided atgm is a crazy rig... but no, all I saw was some trucks pulling some tank. That is to say, a KV 2 tank. Tanks for the laugh
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 04:37 PM UTC

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Hahahahaha I had a look expecting to see a tube launched, optically tracked, wire guided atgm is a crazy rig... but no, all I saw was some trucks pulling some tank. That is to say, a KV 2 tank. Tanks for the laugh


That was my first thought as well.

Trumpeter makes a decent kit of the KV 2.
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 04:43 PM UTC
Maybe it's because I'm Dutch. What is so funny about the tittle?
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 05:05 PM UTC
Most american armor modelers, when they see the word "tow" think "TOW - Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided missile", not something being towed, like a disabled tank.
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 06:26 PM UTC

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Most american armor modelers, when they see the word "tow" think "TOW - Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided missile", not something being towed, like a disabled tank.



Me too, despite being European.
Spelling tow with a capital T contributed as well


Those trucks were usually used to tow trailers caarying railroad freight wagons to recipients who did not have rail connection. Instead of transferring to load to trucks at the station they loaded the whole wagon on a special trailer.

https://www.elitemodell.de/elite/wehrmacht/3537/
Resin kit, quality is not 100%, crappy pictures but you get the general idea.



They also moved locomotives this way


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQV149Dg9Uj4NW09wX2UsqbLk3Ip36bKzDPtCC2o3c1yjWczhKi
The German Bundesbahn continued with these methods into modern times


Ask Google about "strassenroller" and check the images

/ Robin
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 06:34 PM UTC
I see.
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 07:17 PM UTC

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Most american armor modelers, when they see the word "tow" think "TOW - Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided missile", not something being towed, like a disabled tank.



Me too, despite being European.
Spelling tow with a capital T contributed as well





TOW (the weapons system) is usually written with three capitals, so no confusion as far as I am concerned..

One capital is still the word ”tow”, such as the original poster intended, at least in my book.

Great pic Robert Jan!

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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 08:01 PM UTC
Hi Robin. Culemeyer rules, and Kaelble trucks of course.
Pictures show Kaelble Trucks at Henschel Factory in Kassel during WWII and a transport for the Reichsbahn.





Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 08:06 PM UTC
I agree with Sven. If it ain't TOW then it's just tow.

As in hitch your wagon to your tractor and tow it!
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 08:14 PM UTC
@ Robin.
Can you change Tow into tow?

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 08:25 PM UTC
p.s. Thanks guys for all the great "trailer in tow" photos!
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 08:38 PM UTC

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@ Robin.
Can you change Tow into tow?

Kind regards,

Robert Jan


Done and thanks for the additional pictures / Robin

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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 08:47 PM UTC
Thanks for the nice pictures from my side too, R2(Robert and Robin)!


The mighty Kaelble Z6 Zugmaschine is on my To-Do-list, along with the FAUN ZR.
Both were fielded by Bulgarian Royal Army as heavy duty tractors during and after WWII.

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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 08:52 PM UTC
Is it too late for a last one ?

"Superlative transport at the beginning of the 1940s: Four Kaelble tractors, totaling 520 hp, move a hull over the new Reichsautobahn near Chemnitz" :



Full size

H.P.
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 09:57 PM UTC
Thanks H.P. !

Interesting to see all the safety measures along the Autobahn to prevent cars from hitting obstacles beside the road, the guide planks, wide open spaces and other constructional efforts to prevent vehicles from hitting people and installations near the road
/ Robin
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2019 - 11:59 PM UTC

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Most american armor modelers, when they see the word "tow" think "TOW - Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided missile", not something being towed, like a disabled tank.



Me too, despite being European.
Spelling tow with a capital T contributed as well





TOW (the weapons system) is usually written with three capitals, so no confusion as far as I am concerned..

One capital is still the word ”tow”, such as the original poster intended, at least in my book.

Great pic Robert Jan!




Our surveillance platoon used to use the AN/TAS-4 TOW Missile sight, without the missile, for low light ops and they never used caps when filling out forms and reports. They also spelled TOW as toe. Not the brightest group of guys I ever worked with.
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Posted: Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 12:39 AM UTC
Looks like the Diamond T truck-
http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-Vehicles/Allies/1-USA/11-Trucks/DiamondT/M19TT.htm
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Posted: Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 12:41 AM UTC
In addition to H.P. picture...

Culemeyer-Equipement der Deutschen Reichsbahn beim Überlandtransport eines für den Kriegseinsatz im Schwarzen Meer bestimmten Tankleichters auf der Reichsautobahn von Dresden nach Ingolstadt am Kindinger Berg im Altmühltal. (1942) Foto: RVM
Translation:
Culemeyer-Equipement of the Deutschen Reichsbahn deployed with a transport of equipment to be used in the Black Sea for war purposes.
The photo shows the transport near Dresden on its way to Ingolstadt at the Kindinger Mountain in the Altmühltal area. 1942
Think the equipment has something to do with Oil, not sure, but it's big.
Source; https://eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergalerie/Reichsbahn%20im%20Krieg

Ship, destination The Black Sea



More to follow, have to sort out the interesting ones.
All is mapped as Culemeyer. Check the site, great pictures.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 01:22 AM UTC
Since we are already far from th original question:
https://www.untermhaus.ozongenie.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5334&view=previous
Someone asks about ships transported from Germany to the Black Sea.
Some of the ships/vessels transported:
Unter anderem wurden die folgenden Schiffe transportiert:
6 U-Boote vom Typ II B (submarines)
23 Minenräumboote (motor minesweepers)
16 Schnellboote (torpedo boats)
26 U-Jäger (subchasers)
113 Küstenmotorschiffe (coastal freighters)
40 Tankleichter (barges for liquids, read oil/fuel/petrol
30 Schlepper (tugs)
2 Raddampfer (sidewheel ships, very useful in shallow rivers)
4 Bagger. (dredging equipment)
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Posted: Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 01:32 AM UTC

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Check the site, great pictures.



Indeed


H.P.
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Posted: Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 01:36 AM UTC

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Hahahahaha I had a look expecting to see a tube launched, optically tracked, wire guided atgm is a crazy rig... but no, all I saw was some trucks pulling some tank. That is to say, a KV 2 tank. Tanks for the laugh


That was my first thought as well.

Trumpeter makes a decent kit of the KV 2.



Really nice kit OOB. I only added Eduard screens as I disliked the plastic ones provided. I don’t recall any other issues with the build.

http://www.4bogreen.com/kv-series/plastic-and-resin-kits/1-35-scale/trumpeter/00312-russian-kv-2-tank
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OK, LeTourneau Land Train: