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ShermiesRule
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Posted: Saturday, July 02, 2005 - 03:24 PM UTC
Here is the start of my SWAT breach. Not sure how I'm going to dress up the interior. Maybe I'll ad some surprised bad guys. I have a grenade that I'm going to put on the floor as a spent flashbang



GI_Babycakes
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Posted: Saturday, July 02, 2005 - 03:28 PM UTC
looks like a GOOd start. are you going to make the room look like its been aBandoned with rubbish on the floor or set with dinner on the tablE with overturned chair or ? cant wait to see moRe!
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Saturday, July 02, 2005 - 03:32 PM UTC
I am debatinG whEather OR not to add some bad Guys bEing surprised.
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 05:00 AM UTC
A door has been added trim around the door and window opening have been added. The breached door actually has the doorknob blown away leaving just a hole. You can barely see it in the pic.

husky1943
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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 05:15 AM UTC
Ciao Alan,
Man, it is looking really good. I like the setup and the bad guys sure would be suprised!! Reminds me to finish up mine......NYPD outside a building. Hope it comes out as good as yours.
Ciao for now
Rob
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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 05:24 AM UTC
Hi Alan, it looks great.

What brand makes the SWAT kit?

ShermiesRule
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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 05:40 AM UTC
THanks guys. The SWAT guys are actually various figures from Dragon Navy Seals, LAPD SWAT and British SAS. Some of the figures in each of those kits just didn't seem to fit an breach so they were left out.
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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 05:53 AM UTC
I like it. The figs looks great. A few technical suggestions if I may-

Get your guys out of the fatal funnel. I know it's hard to replicate with such a small room (especially since it's a partial room) but by the time five guys got into that room. the first two would be well on the way to, if not already in, thier points of domination, namely the corners. (One long, one short) Your three and four are one step in and one step to the left or right of the door, with one pinning the door.

The other point is that two of your guys are way too far into the room. The farthest from the wall anyone will get is about a meter, unitl the room is clear. Since you've got guys in opposing corners, shooting one meter off of one another.

Last is the kneeling guy. He's still got his primary weapon up (as opposed to the guy behind him who's transitioned to his secondary) so he's got no reason to be kneeling, unless he has fallen down. He won't be able to stand back up until someone physically grabs his body armor and pulls him up.

Again, I like what you've done, it's just a matter of repositioning the figures into admittedly less aesthetic locations.
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 09:56 AM UTC
Thanks for the insight. I know exactly what you mean about the entry positioning. I have been looking at entry stacks and slicing the pie breaches and tried emulating one of these. However given the narrow range of the figure poses I decided just to do what artistically looks best.

For example if I took out the kneeling guy I'd only have 4 guys. I really wanted 6 (3 teams of 2) but I don't have another figure with the right pose. Also by adding the kneeling guy so far into the room I don't hide the figure behind him. Standing guys on the wing are fully visible. Some of the guys are moving while others are already in shooting position. I had to do my best to show some guys already in position while others are still on the move.

Thanks for the info!
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 01:03 PM UTC
Minor repositioning of the figures.
Added hinges to the breached door.
Added wood flooring
Created a burnt spot on the floor where the flashbang settled.
Added fugly curtains to the drug house.
You can barely see it but there is a hole in the upper pane of glass

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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 02:32 PM UTC
Alan, I don't know much about positions during room entry but I really like the dynamic feel of your figures thanks to how you've slanted the wall and placed the figures. For me it feels as though they're still "in motion" after busting the door down.

Also very nice details by adding the hinges in. I think its good just the way it is without adding a Tango in but I reckon you could still squeeze in one at the front left just near the fallen chair, maybe with his hands covering his ears or eyes after the flashbang.

If your'e thinking of adding some debris, an opened newspaper on the table along with some bottles or soda cans is a thought along with an ashtray and cigarette butts. A small picture frame on the wall is another.

I can't really tell from the figs but shouldn't one of them still have a battering ram seeing as the door was busted down.
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 02:54 PM UTC
My next step is to add graffiti, trash and other assorted crap in a drug house. I am also going to add some weapons and maybe cash and drugs on the table. I actually have a figure who has a shotgun who blew the knob off the door. He isn't done yet.

It's slow coming and deadline quickly approaching but I'm having a lot of fun trying to do a civilian dio instead of a WW2 that I'm used to building.
GI_Babycakes
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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 08:45 PM UTC
good job. i like the planks, the kicked in door, and the Scorch Mark on the floor.
im trying to brainstorm things to include in your room.
ratty Couch if You can...
za boxes
Papers On floor
bottles
weed drying On clothesline?
white bundles?
High times poster?
question authority poster?


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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 09:12 PM UTC
Hi,
Nice start.
My only recomendation would be the postioning of the
men.
The guy out the front kneeling down looks out of place in a dynamic entry. Perhaps he could be just out side the door covering their entry point - a trailer man.

Looking forward to watching this one progress !
Cheers,
Andy.
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2005 - 08:27 AM UTC
Here is my Quiet Professional 99% complete. A little more trash and grafitti and it will be complete.

AndyD, as I stated earlier in the thread the kneeling guy was an artistic decision so that he does not block the viewer from seeing the action behind him.



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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2005 - 08:39 AM UTC
Fantastic so far. Is it just me or is the window ledge a bit lower nearer the door?
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2005 - 08:48 AM UTC
No you're right. I cut the window not quite square and didn't realize how bad it was until I started gluing in the window frame. Since I had already skim coated the walls with plaster I just got lazy and decided, "It's a freaking druge house. So what is the window ledge is broken."
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2005 - 10:24 AM UTC
Having been in more drug houses and "shot" houses than you would believe, I can tell you that you are on your way to a really cool diorama.

Now, if you have room, a filthy mattress on the floor would give it that drug house lived in look. Also, it is not uncommon for all windows to be boarded up except for one small opening so that drugs can be passed from inside to out with letting people in.

Patrick
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2005 - 10:33 AM UTC
Thanks for the boarded up window idea. That will be a must-do. I considered a mattress but there wasn't any room. I added a salvaged jeep bench sitting on wooden blocks instead.
GI_Babycakes
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2005 - 01:09 PM UTC
lol i had to laugh when i saw that jeep bench!!! that is a total possibility! i was at a place where the guy was working on his motorcycle IN the living room. it was really special when he started it up! cant wait to see what you do next!
Savage
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Posted: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 12:43 AM UTC
Very nice work Alan, it does carry the Dynamic entry feel to the viewer.

A small point, and I believe Patrick will agree, is that those walls and curtains are just way too clean, and I donít mean graffiti free - I mean dirt free! Add more dirt! :-)
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Posted: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 01:11 AM UTC
Yes thank you. I agree. I'm still adding a few details like beercans and cigarette butts. I might even try and make one of the curtains "burned" and/or ripped.

Thanks for all the input from everyone! It's really intersting to note how many people I've talked to really seem to know their SWAT tactics. I tried my best to be as realistic as possible but unfortunately figure poses, a space constraint and the viewers vantage point limited my ability to do a "real" breach.
Danial
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Posted: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 06:50 AM UTC
u make this campaign look cool man...
love the flash bang on the ground and the burnt effect ard it..